Comments on: Mr. Miyagi and the Third Way http://newchristian.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/mr-miayagi-and-the-third-way/ A Critical Study of a New Book by Tony Jones Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:22:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Joe Martino http://newchristian.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/mr-miayagi-and-the-third-way/#comment-47 Joe Martino Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:05:43 +0000 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-47 Thanks Jazz, I appreciate that. Peace Thanks Jazz,
I appreciate that.
Peace

]]> By: jazzact13 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/mr-miayagi-and-the-third-way/#comment-45 jazzact13 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:04:40 +0000 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-45 Since Joe and I have been discussin things at his blog, I should say here what I said there, that I do concede that I misunderstood him, and I apologize for having done so. Since Joe and I have been discussin things at his blog, I should say here what I said there, that I do concede that I misunderstood him, and I apologize for having done so.

]]> By: jazzact13 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/mr-miayagi-and-the-third-way/#comment-42 jazzact13 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:23:04 +0000 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-42 Shall we take this further? Sure. http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2008/02/19/the-sexuality-obcession There're no numbers on the comments, so I can't say something like "look at comment 42", but the comments that I'm taking from are under you name, Joe, and are pretty early in the rather heated debate. "Here’s something to consider; I don’t care if they make homosexual marriage legal. How much of the sex police do we want to be." "I believe that laws are necessary. I believe that laws should stop us from hurting other people. So if two gay people wish to engage in a relationship, that is (constitutionally speaking) their business...It’s pretty simple, if you are hurting someone else it should be illegal. I think that is very practical and compassionate. There are many things that I believe are Biblically wrong but I don’t want to see a law passed about them." btw I find it ironic that you refer to the Constitution, when earlier you said this... " As far as you having “rights” in a democratic society. Go back and re-read your Bible, you’re not called to live in your rights. Just my 2 cents." Shall we take this further? Sure.

http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2008/02/19/the-sexuality-obcession

There’re no numbers on the comments, so I can’t say something like “look at comment 42″, but the comments that I’m taking from are under you name, Joe, and are pretty early in the rather heated debate.

“Here’s something to consider; I don’t care if they make homosexual marriage legal. How much of the sex police do we want to be.”

“I believe that laws are necessary. I believe that laws should stop us from hurting other people. So if two gay people wish to engage in a relationship, that is (constitutionally speaking) their business…It’s pretty simple, if you are hurting someone else it should be illegal. I think that is very practical and compassionate. There are many things that I believe are Biblically wrong but I don’t want to see a law passed about them.”

btw I find it ironic that you refer to the Constitution, when earlier you said this…

” As far as you having “rights” in a democratic society. Go back and re-read your Bible, you’re not called to live in your rights. Just my 2 cents.”

]]> By: jazzact13 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/mr-miayagi-and-the-third-way/#comment-41 jazzact13 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:15:32 +0000 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-41 http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2008/02/19/the-sexuality-obcession/ Since there are no numbers on the comments, they may be difficult to find, especially since that was a discission with lots of comments. But here are some things you said there, Joe. These are taken from comments pretty early in the discussion. "Here’s something to consider; I don’t care if they make homosexual marriage legal. How much of the sex police do we want to be" "I believe that laws are necessary. I believe that laws should stop us from hurting other people. So if two gay people wish to engage in a relationship, that is (constitutionally speaking) their business...There are many things that I believe are Biblically wrong but I don’t want to see a law passed about them." http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2008/02/19/the-sexuality-obcession/

Since there are no numbers on the comments, they may be difficult to find, especially since that was a discission with lots of comments. But here are some things you said there, Joe. These are taken from comments pretty early in the discussion.

“Here’s something to consider; I don’t care if they make homosexual marriage legal. How much of the sex police do we want to be”

“I believe that laws are necessary. I believe that laws should stop us from hurting other people. So if two gay people wish to engage in a relationship, that is (constitutionally speaking) their business…There are many things that I believe are Biblically wrong but I don’t want to see a law passed about them.”

]]> By: jazzact13 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/mr-miayagi-and-the-third-way/#comment-40 jazzact13 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:20:49 +0000 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-40 Because, Joe, when you go on like you did, saying things like that, without giving any clarity to what you mean, it really seems like you're saying "The only kind of love you can show them is to support them in what they're doing". Because when you start out lambasting people who say "It's in the Bible", claiming the Bible can be used to defend any position anyone wants it to, and that "At the end of the day the only thing that really matters is what kind of fruit your doctrine and theology produces" (as you define such fruit, of course), then I tend to smell something going on that just ain't right. Because, Joe, when you go on like you did, saying things like that, without giving any clarity to what you mean, it really seems like you’re saying “The only kind of love you can show them is to support them in what they’re doing”.

Because when you start out lambasting people who say “It’s in the Bible”, claiming the Bible can be used to defend any position anyone wants it to, and that “At the end of the day the only thing that really matters is what kind of fruit your doctrine and theology produces” (as you define such fruit, of course), then I tend to smell something going on that just ain’t right.

]]> By: jazzact13 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/mr-miayagi-and-the-third-way/#comment-39 jazzact13 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:05:23 +0000 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-39 So, in other words, Joe, when you say "Love the gay person who wants the legal right to get married", you're not saying help them make their lifestyle a legal right? What you say "Be kind to the Lesbian who wants to adopt", you don't mean helping them adopt? So, in other words, Joe, when you say “Love the gay person who wants the legal right to get married”, you’re not saying help them make their lifestyle a legal right? What you say “Be kind to the Lesbian who wants to adopt”, you don’t mean helping them adopt?

]]> By: Joe Martino http://newchristian.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/mr-miayagi-and-the-third-way/#comment-38 Joe Martino Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:42:44 +0000 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-38 BTW Jazz, I'll not be coming back here, but if you want me you know where to find me. BTW Jazz,
I’ll not be coming back here, but if you want me you know where to find me.

]]> By: Joe Martino http://newchristian.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/mr-miayagi-and-the-third-way/#comment-37 Joe Martino Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:36:53 +0000 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-37 Jazz, Can you not love a person without encouraging them to sin? I'm pretty sure Jesus loved people without encouraging them to sin. You are the one who has brought an accusation, now back it up. Where do I say encourage someone to sin? I say love them. Love the person who is more liberal than you and the person who is more conservative than you. Can you love an acoholic without encouraging them to sin? Of course you can. Can you love a self righteous jerk with a blog? Of course you can. Loving someone doesn't mean you have to encourage them to sin, I'm sorry you equate the two. Obviously, definitions matter, and I guess you and I are defining love differently. Jazz,
Can you not love a person without encouraging them to sin? I’m pretty sure Jesus loved people without encouraging them to sin. You are the one who has brought an accusation, now back it up. Where do I say encourage someone to sin? I say love them. Love the person who is more liberal than you and the person who is more conservative than you. Can you love an acoholic without encouraging them to sin? Of course you can. Can you love a self righteous jerk with a blog? Of course you can.
Loving someone doesn’t mean you have to encourage them to sin, I’m sorry you equate the two. Obviously, definitions matter, and I guess you and I are defining love differently.

]]> By: reburris http://newchristian.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/mr-miayagi-and-the-third-way/#comment-31 reburris Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:00:15 +0000 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-31 By all means, clarity is hard to beat! By all means, clarity is hard to beat!

]]> By: jazzact13 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/mr-miayagi-and-the-third-way/#comment-30 jazzact13 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:31:18 +0000 http://newchristian.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-30 Perhaps, reburris, but in regards to this particular discussion here, if I have misunderstood him, I'd like to know what he really is intending to say. I hope he does clarify it. Perhaps, reburris, but in regards to this particular discussion here, if I have misunderstood him, I’d like to know what he really is intending to say. I hope he does clarify it.

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