Archive for March 10th, 2008

Praying to the ‘Blessed Virgin’

In this dispatch, John makes a poignant observation about Tony’s observation of a passenger on a flight, and her observance of a religious ritual, asking a question that is sure to generate some dialog among those observing this conversation.

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I find it fascinating in this text that the Emergents are trying to break out of the old church mold, out of the patterns and the pretexts of the modern and into the postmodern. But some of the language and the rituals belie this very clearly in the book.

Chapter one, page one and two there is the story of Tony fumbling around an ‘elite’ New York editor, coveting her mac book pro as he takes out his dell dinosaur. He hides the fact that the book he is reading is the Bible. And he does not talk to her- only observes. He notices her as she slips the mac book away and takes out her prayer beads- a rosary- and notes that she is praying to the ‘Blessed Virgin’ He confesses that this does not compute.

What does not compute to me is the fact that there is at least three open doors of conversation in this little story that could have been walked through to open a conversation about the Gospel. I am always looking for these open doors to walk through, to be fair. But the one that is painfully obvious to me is that she takes out the rosary and begins to pray.

To this, Tony responds as if this is something that is perfectly okay, to pray to a human, creating a idol in the mind and giving worship to one who is not God. At the very least, he could ask her how she prays and why, and lead to the Gospel. But you see, this is the synchronicity pablum and problem that emergents have. They must find truth in the other, and in doing so, they make God a liar.

Fast forward to chapter two, where Tony claims that emergent lands between the Scylla of secularism and the Charybdis of fundamentalism, a postmodern posture where emergents are open to the identity of the other. The other is defined as those who are in different cultures and practice different faiths, and have different lifestyles.

This is why the emergent village supports and praises movements like Faith House in Manhattan, an attempt to bring together all the worlds monotheistic religions under one roof. It is why Tony’s own church (and his wife) practice Yoga on Sunday Mornings at Solomon’s Porch (while the rest of us are at church). It is why Solomons Porch fellowship area is plastered with sayings, not from the scripture, but from Christian, Hindu, and Muslim mystics. It is why open homosexuality and women pastors and elders are openly embraced there despite clear Biblical teaching. It is why there is never a standard mentioned, why there is no Statement of Faith, why there is nothing but open-ended conversation.

The Bible is not even considered to be truth to be believed by faith, rather it is literature that is to be deconstructed as any other literature. And while they are trying to break free of the modern, they have this belief in the ancient-future movement where they take practices of the Roman Catholic church and use them in their communities. The Iconography, candles, incense, even the sign of the cross are used regularly. Throw in practices of contemplative prayer, and other disciplines that seek by experience and practice to draw closer to God, and you see why with Paul we scream “are you so soon following a different Gospel?!

There is no standard in the Emergent conversation, no rock solid foundation. Only the bedrock of shifting sand which they gladly accept and embrace. Only problem is, you cannot embrace sand very long before it all slips through your fingers.

~ Pastorboy

Tony Jones on Issues, Etc.

Todd Wilken, the host of Issues, Etc. has an interview with Tony Jones on his new book that we are reviewing here. You can give this interview a listen at the here:

 http://worldwide.kfuo.org/kfuo/issues_etc8/Issues_Etc_Mar_06b.wma

http://worldwide.kfuo.org/kfuo/issues_etc8/Issues_Etc_Mar_06c.wma

The interview spans two segments, so you can start to listen about midway through Mar_06b program. Enjoy!

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3/18/08 Update: This program has been taken off the air for some reason. If you need more info, email me at sodezo at gmail dot com and I will give you a link that deals with the issue.

A very sad day.

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Dispatch 2: What of the Root?

I have just received this dispatch from our field corespondent, Robert Burris. From his position at the front lines, Robert asks an important question and adds to the conversation. 

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I was just reading a blog about the Shepherds Conference 2008. I was praising God for allowing me to see and read about men of faith coming together to uphold Truth. I prayed that God would bless the men who spoke there and those who attended. I prayed that such conferences might not be the formation of, or outworking of a man-made system, but of Christ. Something crystallized in my mind as I was praying. My comments follow from that.

I think we can all agree that churches have much to answer for. But we should not uphold the doctrine of Balaam (Rev 2), which is that God cannot bless that which He has promised to bless. God has not promised to bless everything that we see in going on churches. He has promised to bless the teaching and hearing of His Word.

It is right to question and judge ourselves, as believers and churches, to make sure that we are abiding in biblical truth and spirit. But we should be very careful in saying God cannot bless where His Word is faithfully preached. And yes, preaching is not done just with words. Walking (halikah) in faith is demonstrated to a perishing world through actions.

I must admit that I often wonder how (why) God is going to bless Christendom. But I’m not willing to take my questions and lift them up in order to propose a new system. For me, that is entering into the realm of Balaam. I believe that is one of the first steps on the path to gross apostasy. A departure from God starts in the heart and will proceed outward from there.

A tree often represents a system in the Holy Bible. The fig tree (Mat 21) represents a system that is not bearing fruit for God. Mark (11) paints the picture of Christ not knowing if the tree bears fruit as He approaches it (see Luke 18:8). In Matthew, Jesus is clearly headed to the cross and meeting nearly constant questioning and opposition from the Apostates of that time. I agree with those who interpret the fig tree in Matthew 21 as being a picture of first-century Judaism. It represents a broken-down, fruitless system.

If Tony wants to talk about broken-down fruitless systems, then fine. Christians should do that regularly. However, I do not find his propositions to be consistent with the Holy Bible.

Tony seems to want to make Jesus Christ into the ‘Great Ecologist’, or something much lower. Does Tony read Psalm 22:6 too literally? Perhaps Tony thinks that Jesus is the ‘Great Recycler’. The compost analogy may seem very fitting in all of this talk about trees. But it is wrong, because it ignores the Root! Any system that takes it’s sustenance from detritus is not of Christ. Christ is not only the Vine (Jn 15:5), but He is also the Root (Rev 5 & 22.) Does Christ, the Creator and author of Life, draw sustenance from the waste of broken-down systems? Is the Body of Christ nourished by dung?

I’ve looked at the root of the Emergent church, and I have not found Christ there so far. The Emergent movement emphasizes fruit, but what of the root? They seem to have a lot of leaves. I must give them credit for that.

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